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Post  Post subject: The fall of empires and superpowers. Is it inevitable.  |  Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:23 pm

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The president of the US said "..... America is in decline..." From time to time one could hear something like "we are not as we used to be" etc but never such a striking comment, especially from a person actually seeking the approval of the voters, to be elected. US meant opportunities, freedom, security i.e. wellbeing, and didn't lose anything to wars nor others got so much stronger for US to share its strengths with them.

In any way, it's rather more true than anything else to say that for a country to get to superpower status has to have: military strength, wealth and for today's times industrial might and SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. How America is loosing them and who else is gaining them.

How true is it that when, in a nation, the people of about a couple of generations believed that they are "there" where they wanted to be, it's the start of the decline.


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Lynx_Fox
Post  Post subject: Re: The fall of empires and superpowers. Is it inevitable.  |  Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:44 pm

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I'm not sure it's all that striking. It's not the first time America has turned to taking about past greatness and used scare tactics to push some ideology.

"The reason why we find ourselves in a position of impotency is not because the enemy has sent men to invade our shores, but rather because of the traitorous actions of those who have had all the benefits that the wealthiest nation on earth has had to offer " Joseph McCarthy


Probably the worst part of the current political climate is that comparison to the past that never really existed and the stark unreality of that image and well-organized seeds of distrust for all data that says otherwise. Numerous examples exist-- take alarm about violent crime, when in fact the US is at near historical lows; a push to shut down women's health clinics--even when it's shown that they reduce preventable death of young women and lower child mortality; a push for "school choice" when in fact most of the private schools required to accept all students like public schools don't perform as well; fears about Mexican immigration-- a problem almost entirely solved 20 years ago and at the lowest rates in 30 years. I could go on about climate, health, etc.


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Rory
Post  Post subject: Re: The fall of empires and superpowers. Is it inevitable.  |  Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:10 pm
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Richest country in the world; 50% of the citizens are poor.

If it's not the fall of an empire, what is it?

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Post  Post subject: Re: The fall of empires and superpowers. Is it inevitable.  |  Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:37 pm
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A sign that control has been displaced and that oligarchy has crowded out democracy / requires a check to once more become balanced

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Post  Post subject: Re: The fall of empires and superpowers. Is it inevitable.  |  Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:53 am

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Rory wrote:
Richest country in the world; 50% of the citizens are poor.

If it's not the fall of an empire, what is it?


More like 15%, and even lower by most international measures.
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/faqs/faq2.htm

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The issue is the US, largely uses a moving scale. when I was a kid, and nearly half the population didn't have central heating or pumping the poverty rate was only a little bit higher. All but the extremely lowest end of the socio-economic scale are far better off than far more folks a few decades ago.

Of course, the issue of the day seems to be the availability of health care and nutritious food security--50 years ago even the rich didn't have good health care by today's standards, and it was about calorie starvation--not lack of greens.


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