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wireless
Post  Post subject: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:42 am

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Just came across this story as I was sipping my morning coffee. Apparently some bloke who is in jail ( in the UK ) for raping two women has had a sex change. He/she, has then been moved from a male prison to a female prison. We live in a very strange world, and perhaps turkeys do vote for Christmas
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:31 am
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Just came across this story as I was sipping my morning coffee. Apparently some bloke who is in jail ( in the UK ) for raping two women has had a sex change. He/she, has then been moved from a male prison to a female prison. We live in a very strange world, and perhaps turkeys do vote for Christmas
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

What exactly do you wish to discuss?

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:32 pm
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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:53 pm

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paleoichneum wrote:
wireless wrote:
Just came across this story as I was sipping my morning coffee. Apparently some bloke who is in jail ( in the UK ) for raping two women has had a sex change. He/she, has then been moved from a male prison to a female prison. We live in a very strange world, and perhaps turkeys do vote for Christmas
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

What exactly do you wish to discuss?

Why the needs of an offender are deemed to be more important than the needs of a victim, the whole thing is absurd.
This is what Claire Waxman had to say, "CLAIRE Waxman, of campaign group Voice4Victims, said last night: “This highlights the great imbalance of equality within our justice system.

“A victim of crime doesn’t choose the path of a victim and yet they are forced into a process geared more towards the offenders’ rights.

“If there are funds for rapists’ sex changes then the Government has to find equal funds to help victims.”


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:58 pm
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You seem to think everything is zero sum.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:44 pm
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wireless wrote:
paleoichneum wrote:
wireless wrote:
Just came across this story as I was sipping my morning coffee. Apparently some bloke who is in jail ( in the UK ) for raping two women has had a sex change. He/she, has then been moved from a male prison to a female prison. We live in a very strange world, and perhaps turkeys do vote for Christmas
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

What exactly do you wish to discuss?

Why the needs of an offender are deemed to be more important than the needs of a victim, the whole thing is absurd.
This is what Claire Waxman had to say, "CLAIRE Waxman, of campaign group Voice4Victims, said last night: “This highlights the great imbalance of equality within our justice system.

“A victim of crime doesn’t choose the path of a victim and yet they are forced into a process geared more towards the offenders’ rights.

“If there are funds for rapists’ sex changes then the Government has to find equal funds to help victims.”

So you suggest forcing a situation that purposefully violates the person, simply as spite?

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:59 pm

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When you say, " forcing a situation that purposefully violates the person " are you talking about the offender or the victim ?


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:55 pm
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When you say, " forcing a situation that purposefully violates the person " are you talking about the offender or the victim ?

In this situation define "victim", given that Trans recognition is a human right, and the 50 year old individual in question is not attracted to grown women. The reporting you cite specifically omits the age of Jessica Winfield, the decades that have elapsed since the initial attacks, and any indication that her victims have NOT gotten the support they have sought

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:13 am

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paleoichneum wrote:
wireless wrote:
When you say, " forcing a situation that purposefully violates the person " are you talking about the offender or the victim ?

In this situation define "victim", given that Trans recognition is a human right, and the 50 year old individual in question is not attracted to grown women. The reporting you cite specifically omits the age of Jessica Winfield, the decades that have elapsed since the initial attacks, and any indication that her victims have NOT gotten the support they have sought

It is quite clear that the victim/victims, in this particular case are the young women that were raped by this monster.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:03 am
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wireless wrote:
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wireless wrote:
When you say, " forcing a situation that purposefully violates the person " are you talking about the offender or the victim ?

In this situation define "victim", given that Trans recognition is a human right, and the 50 year old individual in question is not attracted to grown women. The reporting you cite specifically omits the age of Jessica Winfield, the decades that have elapsed since the initial attacks, and any indication that her victims have NOT gotten the support they have sought

It is quite clear that the victim/victims, in this particular case are the young women that were raped by this monster.

That is WHOLLY irrelevant to the situation that was being discussed in the article. So i repeat:
In this situation define "victim", given that Trans recognition is a human right, and the 50 year old individual in question is not attracted to grown women. The reporting you cite specifically omits the age of Jessica Winfield, the decades that have elapsed since the initial attacks, and any indication that her victims have NOT gotten the support they have sought

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:52 am

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It would appear that you are saying that the offender is now a victim, due to his newly acquired gender. You also seem to be saying that the two rape victims are no longer victims due to the time elapsed since the rapes.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:04 am
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It would appear that you are saying that the offender is now a victim, due to his newly acquired gender. You also seem to be saying that the two rape victims are no longer victims due to the time elapsed since the rapes.

I am saying that transphobic attitude is not acceptable by claiming "what about the victims" given that the victims are not at all involved in this present situation.

Ps. Her victims. Not his. An not at all " newly acquired"

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:44 pm

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You are incorrect, she was a he, when the rapes were committed so therefore HE committed the rapes. Yes, you are correct the gender of the offender is not newly acquired, however the gender is most certainly acquired.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:46 pm
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You are incorrect, she was a he, when the rapes were committed so therefore HE committed the rapes. Yes, you are correct the gender of the offender is not newly acquired, however the gender is most certainly acquired.

The physical features are changed, the gender identity is Not acquired. Couching the argument soley on what bits she had at the time as your reason for ignoring the correct pronoun choice doesnt validate the transphobic attitude.

Plus you avoided the meat of the point anyways

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:30 am

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Plus you avoided the meat of the point anyways


Do you mean, the meat and two veg ?


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:56 am
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wireless wrote:
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Plus you avoided the meat of the point anyways


Do you mean, the meat and two veg ?

I mean the meat of the point, don't play obtuse.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:48 am

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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:51 pm

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paleoichneum wrote:
wireless wrote:
paleoichneum wrote:


Plus you avoided the meat of the point anyways


Do you mean, the meat and two veg ?

I mean the meat of the point, don't play obtuse.

It was an attempt at humour.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:52 pm

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Don't feed the troll...

Is that it ? Is that your total input ?


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Post  Post subject: Re: Double Rapist Gets Sex Change.  |  Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:20 pm
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Enough. Thread closed.

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