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Post  Post subject: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:25 am

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Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy


Background


The National Academy of Medicine (NAM) committee recently released the following report on food allergy.

Finding a Path to Safety in Food Allergy: Assessment of the Global Burden, Causes, Prevention, Management, and Public Policy



Summary


There is strong evidence that food proteins in vaccines cause the development of food allergies.

The NAM committee refused to consider this evidence and completely omitted it from their report.


Details


The NAM committee investigated and reported on IgE mediated food allergy.


Injecting influenza virus hemagglutinin (HA) proteins into humans ( using influenza vaccine), causes IgE mediated sensitization against the HA proteins[1–3]⁠⁠ and allergy[4⁠] to the HA proteins.


Injecting hepatitis A proteins (Hepatitis A vaccine) into humans, causes IgE mediated sensitization to hepatitis A proteins.[5⁠]


Repeated bee stings (injecting bee venom proteins) causes IgE mediated sensitization to the bee venom proteins and the development of IgE mediated allergy to bee venom.[7⁠]


Injecting dengue virus by mosquito bites, results in the synthesis of anti-dengue IgE.[8⁠]

That is, IgE mediated sensitization to dengue virus proteins.


Injecting Borrelia burgdorferi bacteria by tick bites (that cause Lyme disease) results in synthesis of anti-Borrelia burgdorferi IgE.[9⁠]


Injecting filarial parasites by mosquitoes, results in synthesis of IgE against filarial parasites.[10]


Injecting tetanus and diphtheria toxoid containing vaccines, result in synthesis of IgE against tetanus and diphtheria toxoids.[11⁠⁠]


Injecting ovalbumin (hen’s egg protein in influenza vaccines), results in synthesis of IgE against ovalbumin.[12⁠]


Injecting gelatin as part of the DTaP vaccine, results in synthesis of IgE against gelatin.[13,14⁠]


Institute of Medicine (IOM) report on Vaccine Adverse Events 2012⁠

A previous Institute of Medicine (IOM) committee that looked into vaccine adverse events, released a report in 2012.[15]⁠ This statement below from the report makes it absolutely clear that injecting food protein containing vaccines cause the development of IgE mediated food allergies.

Document Pg. 65 (pdf pg. 94 ):

“Adverse events on our list thought to be due to IgE-mediated
hypersensitivity reactions
Antigens in the vaccines that the committee is charged with reviewing do
not typically elicit an immediate hypersensitivity reaction (e.g.,
hepatitis B surface antigen, toxoids, gelatin, ovalbumin, casamino acids).
However, as will be discussed in subsequent chapters, the
above-mentioned antigens do occasionally induce IgE-mediated
sensitization in some individuals and subsequent hypersensitivity
reactions, including anaphylaxis.”

Ovalbumin listed above would of course cause egg allergy and casamino acids listed above are cow’s milk derived and cause the development of cow’s milk allergy.


The above are just example allergens. The NAM report, quoted below, lists numerous food allergens present in current vaccines.


NAM report pg.241
“Allergens in Vaccines, Medications, and Dietary Supplements

Physicians and patients with food allergy must consider potential food
allergen exposures in vaccines, medications, and dietary supplement prod-
ucts (e.g., vitamins, probiotics), which are not regulated by labelling laws.
Also, excipients (i.e., substances added to medications to improve various
characteristics) may be food or derived from foods (Kelso, 2014). These
include milk proteins; soy derivatives; oils from sesame, peanut, fish or
soy; and beef or fish gelatin. The medications involved include vaccines;
anesthetics; and oral, topical, and injected medications. With perhaps the
exception of gelatin, reactions appear to be rare overall, likely because
little residual protein is included in the final preparation of these items. The
specific risk for each medication is not known.
Vaccines also may contain food allergens, such as egg protein or gela-
tin.”


Injected proteins causing the development of allergy to those proteins is not new. Nobel Laureate Charles Richet demonstrated and warned us more than a hundred years ago, that injecting proteins into mammals causes the development of allergy to those proteins.

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1913
Charles Richet

“We are so constituted that we can never receive other proteins into the blood than those that have been modified by digestive juices. Every time alien protein penetrates by effraction, the organism suffers and becomes resistant. This resistance lies in increased sensitivity, a sort of revolt against the second parenteral injection which would be fatal. At the first injection, the organism was taken by surprise and did not resist. At the second injection, the organism mans its defences and answers by the anaphylactic shock.”


So, as the IOM report and Dr. Richet have pointed out, ANY injected protein, food proteins,viral proteins, bacterial proteins, cause the development of allergy to those proteins.


The NAM committee completely ignored this mechanism of food protein containing vaccine injections causing the development of food allergy.


Response in the British Medical Journal

Vaccines cause the development of food allergies: the latest evidence. Rapid response.


Comments in the New England Journal of Medicine

Considerations for Developing a Zika Virus Vaccine

Vaccine Refusal Revisited — The Limits of Public Health Persuasion and Coercion



Inducing food allergy in laboratory rats

Injecting food proteins + aluminum salts (just as we do with vaccines) is THE proven way to RELIABLY create food allergy in laboratory rats for research purposes.[16,17⁠]


The NAM report repeatedly refers to sensitization to food proteins due to food protein absorption through a damaged skin barrier. Nothing wrong with that hypothesis. Vaccine injections however, COMPLETELY DAMAGE the skin barrier and are a far more EFFICIENT, RELIABLE AND PROVEN mechanism for the development of food allergy. Further, vaccines contain aluminum salts as an adjuvant that is PROVEN to enhance allergy.[18⁠]


The NAM report pg 191:
“The “Dual Allergen Exposure” hypothesis proposes that allergic sen-
sitization to foods may occur through exposure to low doses of allergen
through the skin due to food allergens in the environment being absorbed
through a damaged skin barrier (such as in eczema or presence of filag-
grin loss-of-function mutations).”

They propose that food allergen being absorbed through eczema affected skin causes food allergy.

What caused eczema (atopic dermatitis) in the first place? Sensitization to yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae).[19⁠]

How were children sensitized to yeast?

The first vaccine a child receives is Hepatitis B which contains yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae).[20]


Then repeated yeast contaminated Hepatitis B and yeast contaminated Prevnar 13 vaccines follow.

Is the atopic march a mystery any more?


More details, background and references are provided here.[21⁠]


References


1. Davidsson A, Eriksson JC, Rudblad S, Brokstad KA. Influenza specific serum IgE is present in non-allergic subjects. Scand J Immunol. 2005 Dec;62(6):560–1.

2. Smith-Norowitz T a, Wong D, Kusonruksa M, Norowitz KB, Joks R, Durkin HG, et al. Long term persistence of IgE anti-influenza virus antibodies in pediatric and adult serum post vaccination with influenza virus vaccine. Int J Med Sci. 2011;8(3):239–44.

3. Nakayama T, Kumagai T, Nishimura N, Ozaki T, Okafuji T, Suzuki E, et al. Seasonal split influenza vaccine induced IgE sensitization against influenza vaccine. Vaccine. 2015 Nov 9;33(45):6099–105.

4. Woo EJ. Allergic Reactions After Egg-Free Recombinant Influenza Vaccine: Reports to the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Clin Infect Dis. 2014;60:777–80.

5. Bluth M, Kokh D, Zhou W, Rirash F, Smith-Norowitz T. Long term persistence of IgE anti-hepatitis A virus antibodies in adult serum post vaccination. (113.9). J Immunol . 2012 May 1;188 (1 Supplement ):113.9–113.9.

6. Smith-Norowitz TA, Josekutty J, Silverberg JI, Lev-Tov H, Norowitz YM, Kohlhoff S, et al. Long term persistence of IgE anti-varicella zoster virus in pediatric and adult serum post chicken pox infection and after vaccination with varicella virus vaccine. Int J Biomed Sci. 2009;5(4):353–8.

7. Eich-Wanger C, Muller UR. Bee sting allergy in beekeepers. Clin Exp Allergy. 1998;28(10):1292–8.

8. Koraka P, Murgue B, Deparis X, Setiati TE, Suharti C, Van Gorp ECM, et al. Elevated levels of total and dengue virus-specific immunoglobulin E in patients with varying disease severity. J Med Virol. 2003;70(1):91–8.

9. Bluth MH, Robin J, Ruditsky M, Norowitz KB, Chice S, Pytlak E, et al. IgE anti-Borrelia burgdorferi components (p18, p31, p34, p41, p45, p60) and increased blood CD8+CD60+ T cells in children with Lyme disease. Scand J Immunol. 2007;65(4):376–82.

10. Hussain R, Ottesen EA. IgE responses in human filariasis. IV. Parallel antigen recognition by IgE and IgG4 subclass antibodies. J Immunol. 1986;136(5):1859–63.

11. Markt A, Björkstén B, Granström M. Immunoglobulin E responses to diphtheria and tetanus toxoids after booster with aluminium-adsorbed and fluid DT-vaccines. Vaccine. 1995;13(7):669–73.

12. Yamane H. N. U. Serological examination of IgE- and IgG-specific antibodies to egg protein during influenza virus immunization. Epidemiol Infect. 1988;100(2):291–9.

13. Nakayama T, Aizawa C, Kuno Sakai H. A clinical analysis of gelatin allergy and determination of its causal relationship to the previous administration of gelatin-containing acellular pertussis vaccine combined with diphtheria and tetanus toxoids [see comments]. J Allergy Clin Immunol. Elsevier; 1999 Jan 9;103(2 Pt 1):321–5.

14. Kuno-Sakai H, Kimura M. Removal of gelatin from live vaccines and DTaP—an ultimate solution for vaccine-related gelatin allergy. Biologicals. 2003;31(4):245–9.

15. Stratton K, Ford A, Rusch E, Clayton EW. Adverse Effects of Vaccines : Evidence and Causality. Injury. 2011. 0-24 p.

16. Birmingham N, Thanesvorakul S, Gangur V. Relative immunogenicity of commonly allergenic foods versus rarely allergenic and nonallergenic foods in mice. J Food Prot. 2002;65(12):1988–91.

17. Abril-Gil M, Massot-Cladera M, Pérez-Cano FJ, Castellote C, Franch À, Castell M. A diet enriched with cocoa prevents IgE synthesis in a rat allergy model. Pharmacol Res. 2012;65(6):603–8.

18. Horino A, Taneichi M, Naito S, Ami Y, Suzaki Y, Komuro K, et al. Cytokine production by spleen cells from mice with ovalbumin-specific, IgE-selective unresponsiveness induced by ovalbumin-liposome conjugate. Allergol Int. Japanese Society of Allergology; 1997;46(4):249–53.

19. Kortekangas-Savolainen O, Lammintausta K, Kalimo K. Skin prick test reactions to brewer’s yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) in adult atopic dermatitis patients. Allergy. Blackwell Publishing Ltd; 1993;48(3):147–50.

20. Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary [Internet]. 2015 [cited 2016 Jan 16]. Available from: CDC

21. Arumugham V. Evidence that Food Proteins in Vaccines Cause the Development of Food Allergies and Its Implications for Vaccine Policy. J Dev Drugs. 2015;4(137):2.


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Welcome to the community, vinucube. Am confused by the style of your post. This is a discussion forum. What exactly do you wish to discuss?

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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:23 pm

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Thanks, I would like to discuss vaccine safety problems.

How can we make progress in vaccine safety, if scientists are afraid to discuss the subject? Please see comments below:
https://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2= ... S=&P=36477
https://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2= ... S=&P=39487


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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:57 pm
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iNow wrote:
Welcome to the community, vinucube. Am confused by the style of your post. This is a discussion forum. What exactly do you wish to discuss?


Do a search for Vinu Arumugham and you'll see what this thread is about.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:48 pm
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Anti-vax woo. Good times.

Moved to Pseudo

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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:08 pm

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You did not SCIENTIFICALLY challenge even a single thing I posted. How did you decide it was pseudoscience?

This is pseudoscience?

Response in the British Medical Journal

Vaccines cause the development of food allergies: the latest evidence.

http://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i5225/rr-0


Comments in the New England Journal of Medicine

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NE ... t=comments

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NE ... t=comments


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You are aware, right, that comments sections out on the web and several of the vanity (pay to publish) journals you reference are not peer reviewed?

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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:04 am

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Are you claiming that Rapid Responses in the BMJ are pseudoscience?
Are you claiming comments published by the NEJM are pseudoscience?

"journals you reference are not peer reviewed"
Please tell me which one.

My PEER-REVIEWED publication was featured here:
Recent publications from the NIH Immunology Interest Group

https://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2= ... S=&P=49179
Evidence that Food Proteins in Vaccines Cause the Development of Food Allergies and Its Implications for Vaccine Policy.
Arumugham V J Develop Drugs 4: 137, 2015 doi:10.4172/2329-6631.1000137
http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/evid ... 000137.pdf

Please provide justification before dismissing material as pseudoscience.
EVEN if something were not peer-reviewed, does that automatically become pseudoscience?
Why don't you challenge it scientifically? If it were pseudoscience, challenging it should be easy, right?

And please define "anti-vax".


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vinucube wrote:
You did not SCIENTIFICALLY challenge even a single thing I posted. How did you decide it was pseudoscience?

This is pseudoscience?

Response in the British Medical Journal

Vaccines cause the development of food allergies: the latest evidence.

http://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i5225/rr-0


Comments in the New England Journal of Medicine

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NE ... t=comments

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NE ... t=comments

Two isolated cases where human error (KEY FACTOR) MAY(key word) have contributed to an increase in the occurrence of food allergies.

You need to do much more then that before asserting that vaccines are causing more harm then benefit.

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"Two isolated cases where human error (KEY FACTOR) MAY(key word) have contributed to an increase in the occurrence of food allergies. "

Sorry, not clear. Are you referring to the WAO study? What human error? Could you please clarify?

"vaccines are causing more harm then benefit."

Never claimed that. Please clarify how you concluded that. If you read my papers/articles, it will be clear that I am asking for the REMOVAL of food proteins from vaccines.
Exactly like this one:

Removal of gelatin from live vaccines and DTaP-an ultimate solution for vaccine-related gelatin allergy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14624794


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you understand that the report you just linked is suggesting a removal of gelatin to reduce recations caused by already existing intolerances/allergies. Not that the vaccines were the root cause of the intolerances/allergies themselves, right?

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No, that is not correct.

A clinical analysis of gelatin allergy and determination of its causal relationship to the previous administration of gelatin-containing acellular pertussis vaccine combined with diphtheria and tetanus toxoids.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9949325

Gelatin allergy was caused in HEALTHY non-allergic people, by gelatin containing vaccines.
Following numerous studies, the Japanese removed gelatin from their vaccines.

If you look at my original post, the IOM concluded in its 2012 report that ANY protein (food, viral, bacterial) in vaccines can cause the development of allergy in healthy individuals.
The IOM studied the entire vaccine related literature from 1950.


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vinucube wrote:
Are you claiming that Rapid Responses in the BMJ are pseudoscience?
Are you claiming comments published by the NEJM are pseudoscience?


since those responses / comments are your own, they don't add any weight to your initial assertions
all it says is that you made the same comments in various places

and yes, this sounds anti-vax (or anti-vaccination if you don't understand the word anti-vax) since it follows the same well trodden route of unfounded allegations of harm by vaccines against the overwhelming evidence of their beneficial effect

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"since those responses / comments are your own, they don't add any weight to your initial assertions
all it says is that you made the same comments in various places"

I don't know if you read/understand any of them because, the comments and my paper are based on the peer-reviewed published work performed by OTHERS.

"sounds anti-vax" "unfounded allegations of harm"

So you will dismiss real science if it "sounds anti-vax"? Anybody who understands science knows that NOTHING in science is set in stone.
Everything can be and must be questioned. Please let me know SPECIFICALLY which allegation is unfounded because I have provided numerous scientific peer-reviewed published references to back up my comments.

I requested a definition for "anti-vax". Is your definition of anti-vax, anyone who raises vaccine safety questions? That would not be very scientific, would it?


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I don't know if you read/understand any of them because, the comments and my paper are based on the peer-reviewed published work performed by OTHERS.

SOME of the work of those others was peer-reviewed, but your interpretation and personal comments about them are not.

Anti-vax arguments have a long history here and elsewhere. Basically, we're all bored with the bullshit.

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I don't know if you read/understand any of them because, the comments and my paper are based on the peer-reviewed published work performed by OTHERS.


I saw comments with your name against them, making exactly the same statements as you're doing here

vinucube wrote:
So you will dismiss real science if it "sounds anti-vax"? Anybody who understands science knows that NOTHING in science is set in stone.

<snip>

I requested a definition for "anti-vax". Is your definition of anti-vax, anyone who raises vaccine safety questions? That would not be very scientific, would it?


what sounds like anti-vax is when you make out that some possible side effects of vaccination are in some way equivalent to and of the same magnitude as the obvious and undoubted benefits of vaccination

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"that some possible side effects of vaccination"

Ok, so you do accept that food protein contaminated vaccines causing food allergy are "possible side effects of vaccination".

Please answer these questions:

1. Why is the development of food allergy not listed as a possible adverse event following vaccination, in the vaccine package insert?

2. Why is the development of food allergy not on the vaccine injury table of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program?

3. Why does the NAM committee on food allergy not want to talk about vaccines causing the development of food allergy?

http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/evid ... 000137.pdf

"O’Brien et al. [13] measured 7.4 mcg/ml of ovalbumin in
influenza vaccines in 1967. Goldis et al. [14] measured as much
as 38.3 mcg/ml in influenza vaccines as recently as 2008."

What does that mean? It means food protein contaminated vaccines causing food allergy is a PREVENTABLE HARM.

Let's see what Dr.Offit has to say (he is about as pro-vax as one can get):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/artic ... ee-choice/

"Yeah. I think there are a couple things. The influenza vaccine and the yellow fever vaccine are both made in eggs; therefore they contain small quantities or residual quantities of egg proteins. About a half a percent of the population is allergic to eggs, including severe allergies, including things such as bad hives and shock, and those people can’t get influenza vaccine. Well, there’s no reason you can’t grow influenza vaccine in mammalian cells, meaning non-avian cells. That can be done. The technology has been available to do that for decades, but there’s been little interest in doing that. It cries out for, in many ways, consumer activism.

Similarly, there’s a stabilizing agent that’s used in the chicken pox vaccine called gelatin. It allows the vaccine virus to be distributed equally throughout the vial. The question is, are there other stabilizing agents that you could use, that aren’t gelatin, that could accomplish the same thing? Absolutely. But again there’s [been] very little pressure, I think, to do that, even though it’s probably the most common allergenic material in vaccines."

What does that mean? Again, it means food protein contaminated vaccines causing food allergy is a PREVENTABLE HARM.

Consumer activism? That means you and me ... because the regulators and vaccine makers don't care (Dr.Offit said that, not me).


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"SOME of the work of those others was peer-reviewed, but your interpretation and personal comments about them are not."

Please be specific so I can address them.


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vinucube wrote:
"SOME of the work of those others was peer-reviewed, but your interpretation and personal comments about them are not."

Please be specific so I can address them.

lets first discuss the citations that confirm that proteins in vaccines cause intolerance or allergies to said proteins.

Please give a citation with the relevant conclusion statement of said citation quoted here.

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"Please give a citation with the relevant conclusion statement of said citation quoted here."

From my original post:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/13164/adver ... -causality

Institute of Medicine (IOM) report on Vaccine Adverse Events 2012⁠

A previous Institute of Medicine (IOM) committee that looked into vaccine adverse events, released a report in 2012.[15]⁠ This statement below from the report makes it absolutely clear that injecting food protein containing vaccines cause the development of IgE mediated food allergies.

Document Pg. 65 (pdf pg. 94 ):

“Adverse events on our list thought to be due to IgE-mediated
hypersensitivity reactions
Antigens in the vaccines that the committee is charged with reviewing do
not typically elicit an immediate hypersensitivity reaction (e.g.,
hepatitis B surface antigen, toxoids, gelatin, ovalbumin, casamino acids).
However, as will be discussed in subsequent chapters, the
above-mentioned antigens do occasionally induce IgE-mediated
sensitization in some individuals and subsequent hypersensitivity
reactions, including anaphylaxis.”

Ovalbumin listed above would of course cause egg allergy and casamino acids listed above are cow’s milk derived and cause the development of cow’s milk allergy.


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Clearly you do not understand the difference between a reaction due to an allergy, and the original cause of an allergy.


The text you posted is ONLY discussing reactions due to sensitivities, it says nothing about the original causes of those allergies.

There is no indication the vaccines are inducing an allergy that was NOT already present

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paleoichneum wrote:
Clearly you do not understand the difference between a reaction due to an allergy, and the original cause of an allergy.


The text you posted is ONLY discussing reactions due to sensitivities, it says nothing about the original causes of those allergies.

There is no indication the vaccines are inducing an allergy that was NOT already present


Sorry, that is not correct.

Sensitization means development of a new allergy in a non-allergic healthy person.
http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v18/n5 ... 55_F1.html

"subsequent hypersensitivity reactions, including anaphylaxis.", means a person who has already developed allergy, suffering a reaction on future exposure to the same allergen.
This is also known as elicitation.


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Clearly you do not understand the difference between a reaction due to an allergy, and the original cause of an allergy.


The text you posted is ONLY discussing reactions due to sensitivities, it says nothing about the original causes of those allergies.

There is no indication the vaccines are inducing an allergy that was NOT already present


Sorry, that is not correct.

Sensitization means development of a new allergy in a non-allergic healthy person.
http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v18/n5 ... 55_F1.html

"subsequent hypersensitivity reactions, including anaphylaxis.", means a person who has already developed allergy, suffering a reaction on future exposure to the same allergen.
This is also known as elicitation.

What is the frequency of sensitization that the report gives?

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"What is the frequency of sensitization that the report gives?"

The report does not provide a frequency. The frequency will depend on the amount of contaminant, presence of adjuvants etc.

http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/evid ... 000137.pdf

"Yamane et al. [8] demonstrated
a significant increase in anti-ovalbumin IgE in 36 out of 100 subjects
following influenza vaccination."


Long Term Persistence of IgE Anti-Influenza Virus Antibodies in Pediatric and Adult Serum Post Vaccination with Influenza Virus Vaccine

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3065793/

3/3 of who received the Fluzone vaccine developed IgE to the influenza protein (sensitization).


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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:31 pm
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vinucube wrote:
"that some possible side effects of vaccination"

Ok, so you do accept that food protein contaminated vaccines causing food allergy are "possible side effects of vaccination".


not so fast - all I was saying was that my knowledge of the subject is not good enough to exclude the possibility of protein contamination causing side effects
it does not mean I find it at all likely, or that the side effects are a major issue

your jumping to conclusions the way you do seem to have the hallmarks of pseudoscience - I need clearer evidence that protein contamination is such a major health risk that it obviates the well-established benefits of vaccination
otherwise you're prone to throwing out the baby with the bath water

in way it reminds of a woman complaining that the airbag in her car had bruised her when she was involved in an accident, totally ignoring the high likelihood that without the airbag she would no longer be in a position to complain

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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:03 pm

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"protein contamination is such a major health risk that it obviates the well-established benefits of vaccination"

You seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the only way to prevent the health risk of protein contamination in vaccines, is to stop vaccinating. Why?
I mentioned many times and quoted Dr. Offit, that the solution is to CLEAN UP our vaccines.
The first step in doing that is ACKNOWLEDGING that our protein contaminated vaccines are a problem. I have provided strong scientific evidence demonstrating the fact that food protein contaminated vaccines cause the development of food allergy.

When the Japanese discovered that their gelatin contaminated vaccines were causing the development of gelatin allergy, they did NOT respond by stopping vaccinations.
They ACKNOWLEDGED that gelatin contaminated vaccines were the problem and REMOVED gelatin from their vaccines to solve the problem.
Removal of gelatin from live vaccines and DTaP-an ultimate solution for vaccine-related gelatin allergy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14624794


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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:13 pm
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OK, if that's your line of thinking then that's fine

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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:31 pm

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"OK, if that's your line of thinking then that's fine"

Thank you.

iNow,

Now that I have demonstrated that this discussion is a SCIENTIFIC VACCINE SAFETY discussion, not anti-vax, not pseudoscience, could you please remove it from "Pseudoscience" and place it back at the original location?

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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:08 am

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How vaccine safety science too can be affected by psychological effects ...
Researchers who find results suggesting vaccines are safe, do not check their work for errors.
If they find a vaccine safety problem, they look for errors or reason to explain them away. Thus perpetuating vaccine safety problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment

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Millikan's experiment as an example of psychological effects in scientific methodology[edit]
See also: Confirmation bias § In science
In a commencement address given at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in 1974 (and reprinted in Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! in 1985 as well as in The Pleasure of Finding Things Out in 1999), physicist Richard Feynman noted:

We have learned a lot from experience about how to handle some of the ways we fool ourselves. One example: Millikan measured the charge on an electron by an experiment with falling oil drops, and got an answer which we now know not to be quite right. It's a little bit off because he had the incorrect value for the viscosity of air. It's interesting to look at the history of measurements of the charge of an electron, after Millikan. If you plot them as a function of time, you find that one is a little bit bigger than Millikan's, and the next one's a little bit bigger than that, and the next one's a little bit bigger than that, until finally they settle down to a number which is higher.

Why didn't they discover the new number was higher right away? It's a thing that scientists are ashamed of—this history—because it's apparent that people did things like this: When they got a number that was too high above Millikan's, they thought something must be wrong—and they would look for and find a reason why something might be wrong. When they got a number close to Millikan's value they didn't look so hard. And so they eliminated the numbers that were too far off, and did other things like that ...[10][11]


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Post  Post subject: Re: Professional Misconduct by NAM Committee on Food Allergy  |  Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:38 am
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vinucube wrote:
Researchers who find results suggesting vaccines are safe, do not check their work for errors. If they find a vaccine safety problem, they look for errors or reason to explain them away.

Bullshit. Broad sweeping generalizations based on individual anecdotes and little more.

vinucube wrote:
Thus perpetuating vaccine safety problems.

You've failed to demonstrate the existence of safety problems. As it stands today, any problems are known and/or mitigated. There's nothing to perpetuate, except perhaps anti-vax ignorance and you won't be permitted to do that here.

vinucube wrote:
iNow,

Now that I have demonstrated that this discussion is a SCIENTIFIC VACCINE SAFETY discussion, not anti-vax, not pseudoscience, could you please remove it from "Pseudoscience" and place it back at the original location?

You've done no such thing. All you've done is to remind me of my lack of patience for anti-vax crusaders like yourself. You're no better than an evolution or climate change denier in my book, regardless how pure or well-intentioned your motivations.

Thread locked.

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