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anticorncob28
Post  Post subject: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:16 am
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I'm convinced that climate change is the biggest problem in the world and is the most devastating consequence of Trump's victory. Congress is full of climate change deniers and will gladly help him reverse the little action we have done and screw over the planet and future generations.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2112164-president-trump-means-we-cant-escape-a-dangerously-warmer-world/
The title of the article is a bit misleading; even if Trump lost, we're still almost certainly heading toward a dangerously warmer world.
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Rich countries were already failing to deliver the promised funds. With Trump saying he will move to block US climate funding, that money is now even less likely to appear. That will give many countries a legitimate reason not to deliver on their Paris promises.

On the other hand, here's a more optimistic article:
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/11/09/the-paris-agreement-will-survive-president-trump/
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there is the Paris Agreement itself, which entered into force last week. If Trump withdraws from it, as he has promised, it will take four year before the US actually leaves (or one year to leave the overarching UN climate convention). And, because of clever drafting that elides the US Senate, a new President could instantly re-ratify the Agreement after he or she comes into office.

Still... it's so sad. I feel like giving up and deciding that we should simply live the best we can until the end.
Obviously, we can't do that, no matter how tempting it is. We've already screwed the planet over, but with effort we can stop the even worse suffering awaiting the future.* I would write letters to congress and Trump presenting the evidence and information and telling them what they need to do, but what are the odds they will listen? What should we do?

*No politician will put it this way; they live under the fairy tale that we can still prevent dangerous climate change. There's an obvious truth, and vox said it well: barring miracles, humanity is in for some awful shit.

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M_Gabriela
Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:27 am
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I would say unequal distribution and poverty as a consequence are the biggest problems...
Trump's victory will cause the same damage to planet Earth as the other governments cause none of them really cared about the climate change.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:28 am
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I suppose we can only hope that his actions don't match his bluster

is he really going to build a wall at the Mexican border ? is he really going to walk away from NATO ? if he intends to have friendly relations with China, how will he call them liars at the same time ?

we'll just have to see what happens + cross our fingers

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Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:34 pm
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M_Gabriela wrote:
Trump's victory will cause the same damage to planet Earth as the other governments cause none of them really cared about the climate change.

The core problem is he seems to want us to invest more in coal as opposed to renewables. It strikes me as investing in 8-track players instead of mp3s, but with far greater downstream consequences than poor audio quality.

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wireless
Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:26 pm

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Coal is cheap, the infrastructure for coal in terms of mining, transportation and usage is already in place, Technology exists for the capture and storage of CO2 from coal fired power stations, however this capture and storage of CO2 does come with a price tag. I think that the President Elect wants to give the people, who worked in the coal industry ( mining and power production ), their jobs , and their dignity back, after being sacrificed on the alter of Liberal Political Correctness. Having said this, most of the biggest power stations in the world operate on hydro power, but the right conditions must prevail to do this.


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iNow
Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:15 pm
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wireless wrote:
Coal is cheap

Not when you properly account for all of the downstream costs and externalities associated with mining and burning it.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:28 pm
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wireless wrote:
I think that the President Elect wants to give the people, who worked in the coal industry ( mining and power production ), their jobs , and their dignity back, after being sacrificed on the alter of Liberal Political Correctness.

As the world changes, some types of jobs disappear, so do some ways of life. It's not a bad thing. Personally I look forward to a day when coal miner is no longer a viable occupation. A lot of people try to defend these jobs by using the "my father did it, his father, and his father before him. It's just our way of life," defense. It's your basic appeal to tradition fallacy. It's a BS excuse to defend certain industries.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:12 pm

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wireless wrote:
Coal is cheap, the infrastructure for coal in terms of mining, transportation and usage is already in place, Technology exists for the capture and storage of CO2 from coal fired power stations, however this capture and storage of CO2 does come with a price tag. I think that the President Elect wants to give the people, who worked in the coal industry ( mining and power production ), their jobs , and their dignity back, after being sacrificed on the alter of Liberal Political Correctness. Having said this, most of the biggest power stations in the world operate on hydro power, but the right conditions must prevail to do this.


Not really. Coal is being used less in the US because it's expensive and less flexible compared to natural gas. The coal industry states that have suffering economies isn't due to lack of coal production but much more effected by technological improvements to extraction putting most out of work--even full coal development won't fix those economies. There's also no real proven large scale CO2 recapture technology -- it's mostly smoke and mirrors.

My main concerns are resource extraction in public lands-- millions of acres of national forest, well on their path to wildlands recovery after 30 years of no-cutting, once again completely denuded; national parks for the first time with mining operations; offshore drilling regardless of its potential ecological cost to both natural ecology and human fisheries.

As for Trump ideas...many are quite realistic and doable. The wall, for example, is rather trivial and could be low tech. Virtually stopping immigration is quite possible and harkens back to former historic periods.


The more interest parts will be Trump's views on improving infrastructure, road, power grid, internet-- much of which the Tea Party is dead set against, but badly needed in the same communities that supported Trump by massive margins.


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Rory
Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:46 am
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Dignity is a really good way of putting it. There's nothing dignified about keep re-electing the supposed left wing only to get trampled over and over.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:34 pm
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Rory wrote:
Dignity is a really good way of putting it. There's nothing dignified about keep re-electing the supposed left wing only to get trampled over and over.


Nothing dignified about electing a bigoted, misogynistic, obscene cheeto that is likely to allow whole swathes of his citizens to be treated as subhuman either.

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wireless
Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:36 pm

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Falconer360 wrote:
Rory wrote:
Dignity is a really good way of putting it. There's nothing dignified about keep re-electing the supposed left wing only to get trampled over and over.


Nothing dignified about electing a bigoted, misogynistic, obscene cheeto that is likely to allow whole swathes of his citizens to be treated as subhuman either.

Your fine words have been said many times about Donald Trump, especially over the last 18 months. Boris Johnson very recently told the leaders of the European Union to stop whinging, and get used to the idea of Donald Trump as leader of The Free World.


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Rory
Post  Post subject: Re: Effect of Trump's presidency on climate change  |  Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:26 am
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I'm not endorsing Trump's policy on Mexico or his attitude towards women etc. In fact I'm not in favour of any political party here in the UK or in the US. None of them care about ordinary citizens and none of them have the capability to fix the economy or society. But I must admit to enjoying the fact that the traditional and new working classes (previously middle class) are telling the establishment where to shove it.

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