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Post  Post subject: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:23 pm
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Yesterday popular internet humor site Cracked.com posted an article called, "7 Reasons So Many Guys Don’t Understand Sexual Consent" which outlined how the majority of our media gears men towards accepting rape culture and how it isn't an acceptable reason to excuse their behavior. http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-men-are-trained-to-think-sexual-assault-no-big-deal/

The seven reasons that he explains are (plus my little one sentence summary of what he wrote):
"7. Forcing Yourself On Women Makes Them Love You", Men are predators, women are prey. Rejection is just part of a game.

"6. Asking Permission Is A Sign Of Weakness" - Women want assertive men and asking permission is a turn off. aka "Just grab her by the pussy"

"5. Women Like To Be Pursued, And Thus Always Play 'Hard To Get'" - The quality of a woman's life is determined by what kid of guy she can attract.

"4. Everything Women Do Is Intended To Stoke Male Hunger" - women only wear things to attract men.

"3. Sexual Assault = Guy In An Alley With A Knife" - Basically a lot of us over the age of twenty were taught wrong about what sexual assault really is.

"2. All Sex Outside Of (Heterosexual) Marriage Is Wrong" - this one is about why sexual consent isn't understood by very Chrisitan people.

"1. Boys Will Be Boys"- Basically that because the urges are natural, many just blame it on nature and that is wrong.


All in all I feel like this article is an important read. Over the years, on this forum and others, we have encountered many men who simply do not understand what consent is and that women shouldn't just be grateful for any sort of male attention. This article goes a long ways towards showing why this attitude is so prevalent at the same time as not using it as an excuse for that sort of behavior. What are your thoughts on this? Do you think I'm wrong in thinking that we glorify rape culture?

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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:44 am
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Glorify strikes me as the wrong word, but the thrust of your point resonates. I suspect it's a systemic thing, much like racism, and even then is cultural. We have tended to accept instead of ostracize these behaviors.

That said, these phenomena aren't consistent across cultures across the world which to me only further debunks the "it's natural" position. This is a geographically localized tendency.

These mysoginistic attitudes are prevalent, but also awareness and counter programming of them is increasing at a rapid pace. It's happening in social media, corporate environments, and basically everywhere I can see. That's a very good thing.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:48 am
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All 7 have this in common: Men and women are fundamentally different.

I was raised with that belief, ironically by my parents' feminist social circle. Serious feminists, like the director of the women's shelter, and the founder of our first abortion clinic, all through puberty. As a boy I heard much of what men do, what men think, what they feel, and of course all men want.

It is easier to consider oneself an archetype, even a bad one. To label a fuzzy or ambivalent sentiment: it's this, or it's that.

I found that the men in this circle were also sexist. Their feminism meant being especially nice to women. They were doing chivalry.

I think that so long as we presume men and women must be different, there will be confusions and injustices like those seven reasons, one way or another.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:08 pm
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Do you think I'm wrong in thinking that we glorify rape culture?


Not necessarily glorify, but there is some truth in the idea that rape culture has become perceived as 'normal' and acceptable. I can think of two specific instances in particular: the group of medical students who produced a play in which a woman was raped by a man, and it was portrayed as being acceptable. The second is a party among male computer programmers, at which the guys cheered to shouts of "who cares what the woman wants" (in relation to sex/rape).

Fundamentally, like so much of human behaviour, it's about power. Powerless men will seek a feeling of power wherever they can get it.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:00 pm
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Men and women are fundamentally different.<snip> I think that so long as we presume men and women must be different, there will be confusions and injustices like those seven reasons, one way or another.

I tend to agree, but I'll go one step farther... The position above implies this is genetic and I suspect that's incorrect. These "fundamental differences" as some describe them appear to be taught/learned in the same way racism is, not inherent in biological sex itself.

I'm reminded of this:

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Quite simply, nobody is born thinking men and women are fundamentally different, either.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:46 pm
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Sex is an exchange of control. Rape is non-consensual sex. Rape is non-consensual exchange of control.

Thought experiment: if both partners consent to sex at the outset, but one party withdraws their consent instantaneously at the point of climax of their partner - if they basically say you must stop this second or I'll cry rape - is the second partner really raping the other if they carry on for 10 seconds? What about 60 seconds?

In my opinion, I don't think that type of request is fair.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:34 am
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nobody is born thinking (some people) are fundamentally different
Yet we're all born with an innate need to categorize ourselves and others. You can think of lots of groups you belong to; groups you admire and groups you despise. That's unchangeable human nature and maybe necessary to the way humanity operates. Given that one will view others as variously different, and overestimate those differences, the question then becomes: "How should I allow this irrational part of me to act out? Who should I focus it on?"

Ethical dilemma. It's kinda like acknowledging that I crave salty snacks, and I will involuntarily eat all of them. No kidding myself about restraint. So the question then is: "Which salty snacks?"

Who will be your fundamentally different outsiders? Am I suggesting a moral equivalence defense of sexism? Maybe. But I also think there may be some things we all agree on. I'd like a rejection of sexism to be one of them.



@Rory. If rape was all about power - powerless men asserting power wherever they can - then why haven't other groups resorted to rape when powerless? You'd think the Rape of Nanking would've been civilians raping the Japanese occupiers. Personally I can't begin to sympathize with rapists, so I'm uncertain of the motives. But I can say what rape isn't. It isn't a demonstration by the dis-empowered.

The thought experiment. Above you see why I agree it's unfair. We strive to be good, yet in practice we are also human beings with irrational and involuntary needs. I say rather than deny or suppress our innate failings, we'd better let them play but with ...parental oversight, you could say. In other words it's okay to be wrong when you soberly indulge a less-perfect facet of yourself and you accept responsibility on those terms. Basically it's like having a child.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:56 am
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The link between power and rape is well estsblished:

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?as ... as_sdt=0,5

And the soldiers were using rape as a weapon to enforce their power.

The thought experiment: I have some issues with the unchallenged dichotomy between child and adult selfishness. We're all selfish, even when we appear not to be, it's just that children are honest in theur selfishness and adults have learned to disguise it (for selfish reasons). As such, I think children are morally superior, in that regard.

We're all out of control all of the time. But we have been trained by government education systems to suppress our true nature and to appear in control. Does being made to sit down in the right seat at the right time and write the date and title, underline in silence, complete the 'innovative' starter activity (another crossword, genius) in silence... really happen because the government want the next generation to love Science? If you want to love Science you need time and space to play and think at your own pace in an environment that you own. No - they do it so that you'll forget your self. You'll forget your own needs.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:28 am
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I did read some from that page, Rory, thanks. I'm familiar with these lines of thought, especially where rape is taken even as expression of sociopolitical forces.

Thing is for me, a boy growing up in the 70's, it was these intellectual feminists themselves who tried to mold me into a rapist. I was told, prepuberty, to recognize the roots of my feelings as fundamentally different from girls'. If I had any warm feelings at all, I should think they originate in my balls. Logically then I'd want to resolve my feelings with my dink. That actually works to some extent for a teenage boy.

If I'd continued on that path blazed by the sexual liberation generation, I'd be in the enormous set of guys who now resort to Viagra so they can make love. Rather what they need so badly and should rightly fight and die for is love. For such men "making love" is a euphemism for screwing. See how feelings got constrained through the narrow outlet of the penis?

Well, perhaps as a woman you can sympathize from being encouraged to believe your own feelings stem from maternal instinct. If you really believed that, and you became intensely lonely, then logically you'd want to resolve it by having a baby. Someone to love. Drastic! We wonder at these unhappy single women "throwing their lives away" and feel they're being selfish and inconsiderate of the future child who is, of course, forced into it. But desperation for love will drive people to extreme acts.

Would that same desperation drive a man to rape? I mean if all his confused yearnings he ascribes to his testicles. I'm beginning to sympathize a bit. How about you?


We profile the rapist, we try to see through the superficial data. Maybe he just got fired or divorced or somesuch. So besides reckoning he's driven to get his nads off, we know he's feeling powerless. And if we've decided that men so badly desire power then clearly his motive to rape is all about power. I don't think the drive for power is so compelling though. I think people are driven more by love and the need for love. Look again at this architypical rapist who just got fired and divorced: is he needing love? How intensely?

Of course lacking power and lacking love often go together. So much data supports either. To show my position (driven by loneliness) wrong, we need to find rapists are just as content in that department as the rest of us. Or to disprove the other position (driven by powerlessness), we'll find rapists already enjoy power equal to their peers. One might argue that raping the maid merely proves rape is an extended power trip, but that's a fallacy IMHO like thinking burglars burgle because they've amassed great wealth and just can't get enough. We know they're driven by deficit not surplus. ...But despite any evidence we may find, if you're sure men have different drives than women we will never agree. Perhaps at least we could agree that rapists are fundamentally different from ordinary men in that they have a knot perverting ordinary drives to extraordinary behavior?

Well, that's enough, I await your reply. :)


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Post  Post subject: Re: Glorification of rape culture in modern media  |  Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:36 am
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I did read some from that page, Rory, thanks. I'm familiar with these lines of thought, especially where rape is taken even as expression of sociopolitical forces.

Thing is for me, a boy growing up in the 70's, it was these intellectual feminists themselves who tried to mold me into a rapist. I was told, prepuberty, to recognize the roots of my feelings as fundamentally different from girls'. If I had any warm feelings at all, I should think they originate in my balls. Logically then I'd want to resolve my feelings with my dink. That actually works to some extent for a teenage boy.

If I'd continued on that path blazed by the sexual liberation generation, I'd be in the enormous set of guys who now resort to Viagra so they can make love. Rather what they need so badly and should rightly fight and die for is love. For such men "making love" is a euphemism for screwing. See how feelings got constrained through the narrow outlet of the penis?


Yes, I understand that

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Well, perhaps as a woman you can sympathize from being encouraged to believe your own feelings stem from maternal instinct.


The desire for sex and for love both ultimately have evolutionary origins. I’m not saying that love doesn’t exist as an emotional state in humans, but fundamentally it is caused by a cold, blind process that is not capable of giving a shizel about your feelings.

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If you really believed that, and you became intensely lonely, then logically you'd want to resolve it by having a baby.


No – the lesson I would take from it is that the desire for sex and for love both serve only a biological purpose. The logical thing to do would be to ignore those reflexes. Certainly, having a baby out of a want of love would be a bad idea. Babies are 99% work for 1% love in return. They only love you because you satisfy their (almost endless) list of needs.

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Someone to love. Drastic! We wonder at these unhappy single women "throwing their lives away" and feel they're being selfish and inconsiderate of the future child who is, of course, forced into it. But desperation for love will drive people to extreme acts.

Would that same desperation drive a man to rape? I mean if all his confused yearnings he ascribes to his testicles. I'm beginning to sympathize a bit. How about you?


I very much doubt that men rape out of a desire for love. For one, the act of rape is the opposite of a loving act. And two, by raping he is not going to be rewarded with love from his victim.

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We profile the rapist, we try to see through the superficial data. Maybe he just got fired or divorced or somesuch. So besides reckoning he's driven to get his nads off, we know he's feeling powerless. And if we've decided that men so badly desire power then clearly his motive to rape is all about power. I don't think the drive for power is so compelling though. I think people are driven more by love and the need for love.


Love and power are oftentimes intertwined so it is kind of difficult to think about them is separate terms. For example, powerful men are far more likely to secure the love of a woman. (Because they can provide for the needs of children better than can powerless men). Maybe men first want love and then want power (so they can secure love?) – I don’t know. Since men invest far less in offspring it would make more evolutionary sense for them to be driven purely by the sex drive rather than by a desire for love.

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Look again at this architypical rapist who just got fired and divorced: is he needing love? How intensely?

Of course lacking power and lacking love often go together. So much data supports either. To show my position (driven by loneliness) wrong, we need to find rapists are just as content in that department as the rest of us. Or to disprove the other position (driven by powerlessness), we'll find rapists already enjoy power equal to their peers. One might argue that raping the maid merely proves rape is an extended power trip, but that's a fallacy IMHO like thinking burglars burgle because they've amassed great wealth and just can't get enough. We know they're driven by deficit not surplus. ...But despite any evidence we may find, if you're sure men have different drives than women we will never agree.


Both men and women generally tend to desire love, sex and power.

But you must take into account the biological differences – technically, men may impregnate thousands upon thousands of women with little to no investment. Women cannot give birth to, and raise, that same number of children. So I think women may be more enticed by love and commitment than men.

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I'll clarify my quote, so no confusion:
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No – the lesson I would take from it is that the desire for sex and for love both serve only a biological purpose. The logical thing to do would be to ignore those reflexes. Certainly, having a baby out of a want of love would be a bad idea. Babies are 99% work for 1% love in return. They only love you because you satisfy their (almost endless) list of needs.

What I mean is that a simple need for intimacy may be focused into a goal, so one believes the goal itself is the need. For example "I need Sandy so bad. I'll die if I can't have Sandy."

Society teaches girls to focus what are really flexible needs, into specifics. Likewise boys. It's kinda like dividing children into two groups: juice drinkers, and pop drinkers. From habit then when a juice-drinker feels thirsty, she thinks she needs juice. She's a connoisseur of juices and has learned to love juices. Her actual need - for water - is still there, driving her. But she's lost touch with that.

Besides that social conditioning cues our needs into specific goals, it's practically necessary we do this anyway. You have to drink something. We focus our needs involuntarily through experience, imagination, repetition. Maybe I don't really need "Sandy" in particular, but whoever it is will be an individual with a name and gender and so forth.

You said "The logical thing to do would be to ignore those reflexes." You'd be deceiving yourself! If the drive is still there searching for ways to resolve itself, it will in weird ways, probably ways you're not even aware of since you're trying to suppress it. In that case you'd be doing something for a completely different reason than you think. Like gobbling apples because you're dehydrated, thinking that you're hungry for apples. Anyway fulfilling basic needs are a healthy part of being human. It's how we resolve them that might cause problems to ourselves or others, like Sandy.
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I very much doubt that men rape out of a desire for love. For one, the act of rape is the opposite of a loving act. And two, by raping he is not going to be rewarded with love from his victim.
I'm beginning to question that first statement, though I acknowledge it's a good working theory.

The second. Well, isn't that the rapist's "knot" right there? We say there's something twisted going on, but then dismiss the twist because the rapist must be logical? I'm suggesting the rapist is driven by a (unconscious) need for intimacy, and this gets twisted into the characteristic hostile sexual behavour known as rape. I'm not saying he's seeking love from the victim personally - rapists generally claim to despise their victims.

The third statement, I wish that were always true. It usually is... and this affects a later point you made...
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sex and love both serve only a biological purpose...

Since men invest far less in offspring it would make more evolutionary sense for them to be driven purely by the sex drive rather than by a desire for love.

men may impregnate thousands upon thousands of women with little to no investment. Women cannot give birth to, and raise, that same number of children. So I think women may be more enticed by love and commitment than men.
Looking to some time when pair bonding was sketchy at best. Reasonable. Through that lens, I see you've missed something. Granted men don't love women, since that's no advantage to them, then what possible advantage is there in women loving men who don't reciprocate? She'd better get on with life than pine after some rogue doing her sister. Her love for him is a disadvantage in proportion to his disregard for her.

I can think of examples in mammals where love is unequal. But in every case it's rather the male taking care of the female while she's raising his offspring. For example male wolves "love" their mates through winter by fetching rabbits to the dens where the females nurse and practically hibernate. The females don't reciprocate really, more like "tolerate".

Speculate a human scenario wherein females have good reason to love men more than is returned? I suspect we'd fail and undermine the conventional wisdom women have a deeper capacity to love.

Anyway for this topic seems simpler to assume rapists and their victims equally need love, but something in rapists is broken.


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Perhaps "consent" is a really poor term and concept. To me, "consent" imagines like, "okay, you may proceed to do stuff to me". Think about it: sex cannot occur between merely consenting adults, because they'll just sit there waiting for something to happen.

I think in normal situations when a person detects mere consent absent participation and ongoing positive feedback we quickly back off, "You're not into this?" To me, sex without initiative on both sides, is kinda creepy.

I suspect a lot of assault and abuse, the victim assumes an attitude of apparent "consent" - passive. Rape cases often hinge around this. And it's a bad message to men, that sex "with consent" is like some kind of standard.


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What I mean is that a simple need for intimacy may be focused into a goal, so one believes the goal itself is the need. For example "I need Sandy so bad. I'll die if I can't have Sandy."

Society teaches girls to focus what are really flexible needs, into specifics. Likewise boys. It's kinda like dividing children into two groups: juice drinkers, and pop drinkers. From habit then when a juice-drinker feels thirsty, she thinks she needs juice. She's a connoisseur of juices and has learned to love juices. Her actual need - for water - is still there, driving her. But she's lost touch with that.

Besides that social conditioning cues our needs into specific goals, it's practically necessary we do this anyway. You have to drink something. We focus our needs involuntarily through experience, imagination, repetition. Maybe I don't really need "Sandy" in particular, but whoever it is will be an individual with a name and gender and so forth.


That all makes sense but I’m not sure to what extent it can be explained as the causal root of rape motivation. For example, modern society pushes the idea of material wealth and status as the roots of happiness – rather than love.

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You said "The logical thing to do would be to ignore those reflexes." You'd be deceiving yourself! If the drive is still there searching for ways to resolve itself, it will in weird ways, probably ways you're not even aware of since you're trying to suppress it. In that case you'd be doing something for a completely different reason than you think. Like gobbling apples because you're dehydrated, thinking that you're hungry for apples. Anyway fulfilling basic needs are a healthy part of being human. It's how we resolve them that might cause problems to ourselves or others, like Sandy.


The alternative is to slavishly follow biological drives i.e. the paradigm on which our society is based. That lands you a partner you are less than thrilled with, once the hormones quieten down, and a child who becomes your number 1 job in life. A recipe for happiness?

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Looking to some time when pair bonding was sketchy at best. Reasonable. Through that lens, I see you've missed something. Granted men don't love women, since that's no advantage to them, then what possible advantage is there in women loving men who don't reciprocate? She'd better get on with life than pine after some rogue doing her sister. Her love for him is a disadvantage in proportion to his disregard for her.

I can think of examples in mammals where love is unequal. But in every case it's rather the male taking care of the female while she's raising his offspring. For example male wolves "love" their mates through winter by fetching rabbits to the dens where the females nurse and practically hibernate. The females don't reciprocate really, more like "tolerate".

Speculate a human scenario wherein females have good reason to love men more than is returned? I suspect we'd fail and undermine the conventional wisdom women have a deeper capacity to love.


Well, yes, pair bonding has evolved in humans. That does not rid men’s fundamental drive to copulate with as many females as possible. That instinct is suppressed because, in the long game, he “wants” to pass on his genes to the next generation, and for those genes to stand a fighting chance, which is best secured by having a “faithful” mother to raise them. Biology lags behind sociology.

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Perhaps "consent" is a really poor term and concept. To me, "consent" imagines like, "okay, you may proceed to do stuff to me". Think about it: sex cannot occur between merely consenting adults, because they'll just sit there waiting for something to happen.

I think in normal situations when a person detects mere consent absent participation and ongoing positive feedback we quickly back off, "You're not into this?" To me, sex without initiative on both sides, is kinda creepy.

I suspect a lot of assault and abuse, the victim assumes an attitude of apparent "consent" - passive. Rape cases often hinge around this. And it's a bad message to men, that sex "with consent" is like some kind of standard.


Apparent passivity doesn’t always mean the absence of consent. For example, if I fancied I guy, I might consent verbally but I wouldn’t want to take the initiative – I would want to wait for him to approach me. Doesn’t mean I want it any less.

Frankly I think it’s unfair for one partner to verbal consent if they don’t mean that they are genuinely willing to. Basic assertiveness – yes means yes and no means no. The guy would not be in the wrong in that case.

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Sorry. I think we're on different pages; yet as you say, "...that all makes sense."

So unless you have something outrageous to add...


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Do you think I'm wrong in thinking that we glorify rape culture?


Not necessarily glorify, but there is some truth in the idea that rape culture has become perceived as 'normal' and acceptable.


I disagree. It's almost always been accepted and nearly universal in multiple cultures across the globe, even codified various religious/legal systems. For the most part only secular women's movements in modern times towards women's rights have increasingly discouraged this type of accepted behavior.

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Well, yes, pair bonding has evolved in humans. That does not rid men’s fundamental drive to copulate with as many females as possible. That instinct is suppressed because, in the long game, he “wants” to pass on his genes to the next generation, and for those genes to stand a fighting chance, which is best secured by having a “faithful” mother to raise them. Biology lags behind sociology.

Based on the false premise that all men (and generally broader male mammals) practise just one reproductive strategy, while behaviour sciences are pretty clear it's just such strategy. The range of strategies is part of the spectrum of women's reproductive cuckolding strategies to mate with unobtainable males of "strong traits," while bonding with another mate who'll be able to bring offspring to maturity.


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