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marnixR
Post  Post subject: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:21 pm
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I'm just reading "Faith versus fact" by Jerry Coyne, and one thing struck me that hadn't occurred to me before, which is that science is a great unifier for humankind, whereas religion is a splitter bringing about tribalism

that's why there's only one kind of science (the one that deals with the world as it really is) and many kinds of religion, since the latter is not restricted by observable evidence, hence in principle everyone could have their own personal revelation and religion

presumably this type of excessive splitting is restricted by people's tendency to stick with people of their own kind, and hence religions start off as tribes and some of them grow to become empires

however, since there's no reality to keep religions together, only social and hierarchical pressure, big religions tend to split into factions, based on the type of revelation people choose for themselves

which doesn't happen in science, because in the end opinion does not matter one bit when it comes to the truth value of the evidence

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Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:50 pm

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Pseudoscience exists, here are some examples, " Pseudoscientific concepts[edit]

See also: List of topics characterized as pseudoscience

Examples of pseudoscience concepts, proposed as scientific when they are not scientific, include acupuncture, alchemy, ancient astronauts, applied kinesiology, astrology, Ayurvedic medicine, biorhythms, brain types, cellular memory, cold fusion,[43] craniometry, dowsing, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard's engram theory, enneagrams, esoteric healing, eugenics according to Edwin Black,[44] extrasensory perception (ESP), facilitated communication, geocentrism, graphology, homeopathy, intelligent design, iridology, kundalini, Lysenkoism, metoposcopy, N-rays, naturopathy, orgone energy, paranormal plant perception, phrenology, physiognomy, polygraph, qi, New Age psychotherapies (e.g., rebirthing therapy), reflexology, remote viewing, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), reiki, Rolfing, therapeutic touch, Vastu shastra, and the revised history of the solar system proposed by Immanuel Velikovsky. "
I heard or read something the other day saying that the NHS in England and wales spends nearly a £1,000,000/year on homeopathy. :shock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience


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Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:11 pm

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Marnix is talking about science, pseudoscience is not part of science (the clue is in the name)...

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marnixR
Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:08 pm
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pseudoscience is like alternative medicine - either it works and then it's proper medicine, or it doesn't and then it's quackery

most if not all of pseudoscience does not satisfy the first criterion of science, which is falsifiability
other pseudoscience is just old disproven science that has been discarded by science proper once it was disproven

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Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:27 am
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and another thing : just because a word contains the word "science" does not mean it actually IS science, very often it merely tries to acquire the respect awarded to science by associated proxy

a bit like the word "quantum" really - unless it actually refers to something that is part of quantum physics, it is more often than not an embellishment in an attempt to add some degree of gravitas to what is essentially a frivolous subject, often referred to as quantum mysticism

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Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:39 pm

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I agree with OP--for the most part there's only one science (the pseu-existential parts of theoretical physics prob goes too far).

But to the laymen, it's much more confusing because modern media and advertising had filled our lives with so much pseudoscience (e.g. organic=better, MSG=bad, man-made climate change isn't real, the gubment makes chem trails) etc that for many it's difficult to tell the difference and play into (perhaps even makes) them prone to conspiracy theories and distrustful of actual science.


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marnixR
Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:01 pm
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the funny thing is that science as depicted in most of the press is exactly the opposite of what science is about : in the press it's all about authority figures expounding THE TRUTH ex-cathedra, whereas in real science authority figures count for little and truth is when the likelihood of something being right is such that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent

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Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:29 pm

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PhDemon wrote:
Marnix is talking about science, pseudoscience is not part of science (the clue is in the name)...

Perhaps I did not put my point over in a way that you understand.. I was trying to point out that the NHS is founded on medical science, and uses cutting edge medical science. What I found hard to believe is that such an organisation would spend money on homeopathy which is a pseudoscience.


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Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:55 pm
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true - whilst medical science is science, medical care in the real world is unfortunately not just about science but also politics, public perceptions etc.

it doesn't make homeopathy science, but for some reason the NHS has allowed (or been told to allow) the use of homeopathy and other "alternative" treatments in its portfolio
this inclusion may make a political point of inclusion, but it doesn't make alternative medicine the same as real scientific medicine

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Post  Post subject: Re: many religions, one science  |  Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:08 pm

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I completely agree with you.


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