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Rory
Post  Post subject: David Bowie  |  Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:46 pm
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It feels like the world has lost a great deal of its spiritual rationale.



Love you Bowie <3

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:04 pm

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I admired him and his wife for their philanthropic activities.


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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:37 pm
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First Lemmy, then not even a month later we lose Bowie. As someone put it (not Simon Pegg) "If you're sad today, just remember that the world is over 4 billion years old and you somehow managed to exist at the same time as David Bowie."

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:48 am
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I have had no idea what I should say... I still don't.
Falconers quote, that's a good way to see it. That helps.
And Rory has picked one of my favorite Bowie tunes, an anthem for the Major histocompatibility complex.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:16 am
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One I love for the myriad things it represents:





Separate, but related:


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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:22 am
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GiantEvil - an anthem for the MHC? What are you on about?

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:29 am
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Oh - HIV/AIDS awareness?

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:04 pm
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Romance for humanists. Our experience of being may be predicated on biology, but that makes it no less profound; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex_and_sexual_selection

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:18 pm
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I love the koto!


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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:25 pm
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And now Terry Wogan. All of the legends are leaving us at the same time. It's like they've all decided, 'party's over. It's only downhill from here [for the world]'. Perhaps that's true.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:17 am
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And Alan Rickman too. :(

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:34 am
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Lady Gaga planning Bowie tribute at Grammy's: http://nerdist.com/lady-gaga-to-pay-tri ... e-grammys/

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:11 pm
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Now Victoria Wood and Prince :shock: :(

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When I was young I owned the "Purple Rain" album on tape.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:49 pm
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GiantEvil wrote:
When I was young I owned the "Purple Rain" album on tape.

On tape?? Damn you're old... Kidding of course. I recently was just going through a drawer and I found my cassette of the Kiss Destroyer Album.

It's a shame the world lost another great musician.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:34 pm
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Matthew Inman ‏@Oatmeal Apr 21:
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I'm starting to suspect that George R.R. Martin is the author behind 2016


https://twitter.com/Oatmeal/status/723200973926072322

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Rory wrote:
Now Victoria Wood and Prince :shock: :(

You forgot Ronnie Corbett.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 8:39 am
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Oh, yeah... I didn't really know who he was

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:33 am
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add a few more :

George Michael
Rick Parfitt
Piers Sellers

it's getting very disturbing that many people my age (or younger) have died this year

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:13 pm
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Add the last princess of Alderran to that list. RIP Carrie Fisher

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:23 pm
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Go home, 2016. You're drunk.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:30 pm
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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:35 pm
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Also, Liz Smith who played Nana in the Royle Family and Mrs Cropley in the Vicar of Dibley.

Okay, she wasn't young (96) but she was at the centre of British TV culture.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:50 pm
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so why this glut of celebrity deaths in 2016 ? is it because more people are now considered celebrities, or have we reached a turning point where from now on people's lives won't be as long as those of our parents ?

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:02 pm
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Only the cool people leave the party before it tanks

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:44 am
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marnixR wrote:
so why this glut of celebrity deaths in 2016 ? is it because more people are now considered celebrities, or have we reached a turning point where from now on people's lives won't be as long as those of our parents ?

Maybe this many celebrities were always dying young and we just didn't notice too many of them before social media.

Some would be announced in the morning paper, even occasionally on the news, but never throughout the day across all of our feeds by our closest friends and connections where we're most likely to notice.

Maybe more people truly are dying younger, maybe not. Maybe celeb numbers are culling. Data would be needed to see, but current trends may not represent a spike at all. I'm not ready to comment there.

That said, every single day approximately 152,000 people die. We just didn't have visibility to most. It's important to keep that in mind. In much the same way, if I'm in a room with 23 other people there's a 1 in 2 chance I share a birthday with at least one of them.

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:10 am
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what would be required is for someone - and I'm not volunteering for the job - to make a list of celebrity deaths over the years, evaluating whether a certain death would be counted as a celebrity in earlier years, and then look at the resulting graph

is it on the rise, or is 2016 a random spike ?

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:26 am
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And normalise for population size by calculating incidence per 1,000 celebrities over a given time period (one year).

What is the best way to analyse age at time of death? Plot mean/median/mode age at time of death against time? Or separate frequency curves for different years?

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:25 am

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You have to define and calibrate "celebrity" as it varies from you to me. I only learned who Carrie Fisher was a couple of days before she had the heart attack as she was on with Jimmy Carr.

And Leonard Cohen was my cup of tea but Bowie not so much.

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it's pretty immaterial whether you preferred one artist over another
what matters more is the sum total of the public opinion, which means David Bowie remains a class 1 celebrity and Leonard Cohen, whilst clearly not a non-entity, may be a step away from the top tier

which brings me to another point: would Alan Rickman's star have shone so brightly without his involvement in the Harry Potter series ? in short, does celebrity come from a sustained presence over a lifetime, of does it stem from a presence in a high-profile event ?

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:34 pm
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geordief wrote:
I only learned who Carrie Fisher was a couple of days before she had the heart attack...

What the what?! Your science nerd card is being revoked, sir. We don't need this kind of negativity here! :lol:

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You have to define and calibrate "celebrity" as it varies from you to me.

This is an outstanding point and mirrors my own thoughts when reading the preceding comments. This could rapidly turn into a "what is porn? ..."I'll know it when I see it" type conversation.


Per marnix' point re: Alan Rickman... He was also in the greatest Christmas movie of all time, Die Hard. His celebrity was independent of, but supplemented by, Harry Potter, IMO.

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Calibrating fame: points-based survey of the general population. (1) Do you recognise this person? (2) Do you regard this person as a celebrity?

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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:18 pm
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From PZ Myers a few minutes ago:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... erception/
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Doesn't take into account the size of the general population or the size of the celebrity population. Doesn't mention age at time of death. Doesn't provide a definition of celebrity or a wider methodology. The three sources used are all over the place; would benefit from meta analysis.

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Don't know what Carie Fisher has to do with science. But it was fun arguing how her and Ford's character names were really meant to be sexual jokes with people of the 70's who were both coy or naive.

https://imgflip.com/i/12zz9h



I did like Davie Bowie though the recent loss of Keith Emerson meant a lot more to me.


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Post  Post subject: Re: David Bowie  |  Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:13 pm
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One thing that I saw regarding celebrity deaths is that we have reached a point where a lot of the biggest celebrity names of the seventies and eighties are now past their fifties and a lot of them lived fast and hard during their younger years, so they're now in a stage of their life where they're more susceptible to disease related death.

Meanwhile Keith Richards keeps on going along.
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Rory wrote:
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Well, not quite David Attenborough.

Quote:
US actress Debbie Reynolds dies grieving for daughter Carrie Fisher

Debbie Reynolds, who starred opposite Gene Kelly in the 1952 musical Singin’ in the Rain, has died a day after the death of her daughter, Carrie Fisher.

The US actress, 84, had been rushed to hospital with a suspected stroke.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38455777

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