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marnixR
Post  Post subject: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:39 am
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so what do you think of this ?

Graphene revolution: Fuel breakthrough could rival splitting the atom

if the hopes come to fruition, it could totally change our approach to generating energy, and i'm not even sure that it should stop with transport

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Rory
Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:20 am
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Can't say that I understand it. The splitting of the atom will always be phenominally more important than any application of graphene technology simply because the former was revolutionary in transforming our basic understanding of the nature of matter. The fact that the same institution is linked to both areas of research probably in part explains the comparison.

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:57 am
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but in everyday life it's very often the little things that make a far greater impact than the big projects
e.g. nuclear energy and space travel were always touted as being the game changers in any past predictions of the future, but in reality the transistor and the pill had a far greater impact on how people conducted their lives

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:21 pm
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In other words, we are not likely to use fission in our minivan to get the kids to school, but this graphenes breakthrough is more amenable to such applications. Super cool.

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Rory
Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:10 pm
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But graphene technology probably wouldn't even be possible without the knowledge gained from the splitting of the atom.

*phenomenally

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:46 pm
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really ? how so ?

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:09 pm
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Graphene hydrogen fuel cells rely on the passage of protons. Protons were pretty much discovered by Rutherford.

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:05 am
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but the splitting of the atom was only achieved in the late 30s / early 40s, and depended more on the discovery of the neutron rather than the proton

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:56 pm
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Even so, the basic understanding of the nature of matter as achieved by the splitting of the atom, including the discovery of the neutron, has implications for all of particle physics and chemistry - including both the research that extends our knowledge of the fundamental nature of matter and all of the technological implications that have followed and will follow. It is not possible to extrapolate from graphene technology the same kind of penetrating implications that will leave no area of Chemistry untouched. That just ain't going to happen and for that reason Rutherford rules! Nice to see you back marnix, where have you been? :)

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:10 pm
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still, if electrical cars become the standard type of car because of graphene, it will make a hell of a difference to the future habitability of the planet and our own survival by taking one major source of carbon dioxide out of the equation - not bad for a curious property of a novel material

+ don't keep your hopes up too much about my return - i feel the pull of hibernation calling me :twisted:

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Post  Post subject: Re: graphene hydrogen fuel cells  |  Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:53 pm
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I guess the new graphene technology would be fairly revolutionary and might help to, you know, save the planet from global warming... no small feat. They are fundamentally different types of discovery which is why it is difficult to compare their relative impact. Also, I suppose it is not fair to appraise discoveries according to their chronological order, since by that standard probably the discovery of fire is man's greatest achievement! But the new really revolutionary fundamental science now lies with quantum physics and dark matter/energy. How to reconcile physics at both ends of the scale. The next major step in biological/medical science will probably come with greater quantification and computer modelling allowing us to make more accurate and clinically useful predictions that take into account heterogeneity at the organismal to the molecular level.

So come hibernate with us :twisted:

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I can’t wait to buy one of these: Graphene light bulb set for shops.

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